In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
All the praises and thanks be to Allah, the Lord of the mankind, jinns and all that exists. We are going on refuting and exposing the lies about Islam.As I have proved before that Neil Little-John copies from an anti Islam website, He just copies articles belonging to Sam and so he doesn't come out with anything new. He didn't even say anything about the refutations which have reached thousands of people ! This shows his weak argument.
Refuting :Islamic Fire Torture
But before answering him , let's read the following texts from the bible and then let's compare it with the AUTHENTIC sayings of the prophet Mohammad { salla Allaahu a'layhe wa aalehe wa ssallam}
A - Islamic fire torture or Biblic fire torture ?( please understand me,I do not insult any religion, so please do not take this as a way of insulting Christianity or Judaism OR any religion! I am here to answer the misconceptions and I do not accept using the following texts for insulting)
all of us heard about fire torture which was used by the church in he middle ages (The Medieval Tortures of the Roman Catholic Church ) let's read whrere it came from :
1- What happened to Achan ?
Joshua 7 : '24] And Joshua, and all Israel with him, took Achan the son of Zerah, and the silver, and the garment, and the wedge of gold, and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his asses, and his sheep, and his tent, and all that he had: and they brought them unto the valley of Achor.[25] And Joshua said, Why hast thou troubled us? the LORD shall trouble thee this day. And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones'
let's read the full story :
10] And the LORD said unto Joshua, Get thee up; wherefore liest thou thus upon thy face?
[11] Israel hath sinned, and they have also transgressed my covenant which I commanded them: for they have even taken of the accursed thing, and have also stolen, and dissembled also, and they have put it even among their own stuff.
[12] Therefore the children of Israel could not stand before their enemies, but turned their backs before their enemies, because they were accursed: neither will I be with you any more, except ye destroy the accursed from among you.
[13] Up, sanctify the people, and say, Sanctify yourselves against to morrow: for thus saith the LORD God of Israel, There is an accursed thing in the midst of thee, O Israel: thou canst not stand before thine enemies, until ye take away the accursed thing from among you.
[14] In the morning therefore ye shall be brought according to your tribes: and it shall be, that the tribe which the LORD taketh shall come according to the families thereof; and the family which the LORD shall take shall come by households; and the household which the LORD shall take shall come man by man.
[15] And it shall be, that he that is taken with the accursed thing shall be burnt with fire, he and all that he hath: because he hath transgressed the covenant of the LORD, and because he hath wrought folly in Israel.
[16] So Joshua rose up early in the morning, and brought Israel by their tribes; and the tribe of Judah was taken:
[17] And he brought the family of Judah; and he took the family of the Zarhites: and he brought the family of the Zarhites man by man; and Zabdi was taken:
[18] And he brought his household man by man; and Achan, the son of Carmi, the son of Zabdi, the son of Zerah, of the tribe of Judah, was taken.
[19] And Joshua said unto Achan, My son, give, I pray thee, glory to the LORD God of Israel, and make confession unto him; and tell me now what thou hast done; hide it not from me.
[20] And Achan answered Joshua, and said, Indeed I have sinned against the LORD God of Israel, and thus and thus have I done:
[21] When I saw among the spoils a goodly Babylonish garment, and two hundred shekels of silver, and a wedge of gold of fifty shekels weight, then I coveted them, and took them; and, behold, they are hid in the earth in the midst of my tent, and the silver under it.
[22] So Joshua sent messengers, and they ran unto the tent; and, behold, it was hid in his tent, and the silver under it.
[23] And they took them out of the midst of the tent, and brought them unto Joshua, and unto all the children of Israel, and laid them out before the LORD.
[24] And Joshua, and all Israel with him, took Achan the son of Zerah, and the silver, and the garment, and the wedge of gold, and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his asses, and his sheep, and his tent, and all that he had: and they brought them unto the valley of Achor.
[25] And Joshua said, Why hast thou troubled us? the LORD shall trouble thee this day. And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones.
[26] And they raised over him a great heap of stones unto this day. So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger. Wherefore the name of that place was called, The valley of Achor, unto this day.
2- 1 Kings 13 : ' 2 And he cried against the altar in the word of the LORD, and said, O altar, altar, thus saith the LORD; Behold, a child shall be born unto the house of David, Josiah by name; and upon thee shall he offer the priests of the high places that burn incense upon thee, and men's bones shall be burnt upon thee.'
"and men's bones shall be burnt upon thee"
3- Leviticus 21 : 8 Thou shalt sanctify him therefore; for he offereth the bread of thy God: he shall be holy unto thee: for I the LORD, which sanctify you, am holy.
[9] And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.
4- No wonder why Judah - as the bible claims- had said : "[24] And it came to pass about three months after, that it was told Judah, saying, Tamar thy daughter in law hath played the harlot; and also, behold, she is with child by whoredom. And Judah said, Bring her forth, and let her be burnt.' I mean the following story Genesis 38 :13] And it was told Tamar, saying, Behold thy father in law goeth up to Timnath to shear his sheep.
[14] And she put her widow's garments off from her, and covered her with a vail, and wrapped herself, and sat in an open place, which is by the way to Timnath; for she saw that Shelah was grown, and she was not given unto him to wife.
[15] When Judah saw her, he thought her to be an harlot; because she had covered her face.
[16] And he turned unto her by the way, and said, Go to, I pray thee, let me come in unto thee; (for he knew not that she was his daughter in law.) And she said, What wilt thou give me, that thou mayest come in unto me?
[17] And he said, I will send thee a kid from the flock. And she said, Wilt thou give me a pledge, till thou send it?
[18] And he said, What pledge shall I give thee? And she said, Thy signet, and thy bracelets, and thy staff that is in thine hand. And he gave it her, and came in unto her, and she conceived by him.
[19] And she arose, and went away, and laid by her vail from her, and put on the garments of her widowhood.
[20] And Judah sent the kid by the hand of his friend the Adullamite, to receive his pledge from the woman's hand: but he found her not.
[21] Then he asked the men of that place, saying, Where is the harlot, that was openly by the way side? And they said, There was no harlot in this place.
[22] And he returned to Judah, and said, I cannot find her; and also the men of the place said, that there was no harlot in this place.
[23] And Judah said, Let her take it to her, lest we be shamed: behold, I sent this kid, and thou hast not found her.
[24] And it came to pass about three months after, that it was told Judah, saying, Tamar thy daughter in law hath played the harlot; and also, behold, she is with child by whoredom. And Judah said, Bring her forth, and let her be burnt.
[25] When she was brought forth, she sent to her father in law, saying, By the man, whose these are, am I with child: and she said, Discern, I pray thee, whose are these, the signet, and bracelets, and staff.
[26] And Judah acknowledged them, and said, She hath been more righteous than I; because that I gave her not to Shelah my son. And he knew her again no more.
[27] And it came to pass in the time of her travail, that, behold, twins were in her womb.
[28] And it came to pass, when she travailed, that the one put out his hand: and the midwife took and bound upon his hand a scarlet thread, saying, This came out first,
[29] And it came to pass, as he drew back his hand, that, behold, his brother came out: and she said, How hast thou broken forth? this breach be upon thee: therefore his name was called Pharez.
[30] And afterward came out his brother, that had the scarlet thread upon his hand: and his name was called Zarah.'
5- What about killing apostates in the middle ages? oh even burning cities is already in the bible : Deuteronomy 13 : [12] If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying,
[13] Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;
[14] Then shalt thou inquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;
[15] Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.
[16] And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again.
[17] And there shall cleave nought of the cursed thing to thine hand: that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of his anger, and shew thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers;
[18] When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the LORD thy God.
6-Numbers 31: " 9 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.
[10] And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. "
once again : '[10] And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. "
Did I cut off the text ?
Go ahead :
1] And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[2] Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people.
[3] And Moses spake unto the people, saying, Arm some of yourselves unto the war, and let them go against the Midianites, and avenge the LORD of Midian.
[4] Of every tribe a thousand, throughout all the tribes of Israel, shall ye send to the war.
[5] So there were delivered out of the thousands of Israel, a thousand of every tribe, twelve thousand armed for war.
[6] And Moses sent them to the war, a thousand of every tribe, them and Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, to the war, with the holy instruments, and the trumpets to blow in his hand.
[7] And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.
[8] And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.
[9] And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.
[10] And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.
[11] And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.
[12] And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.
[13] And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.
[14] And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.
[15] And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
[16] Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
[17] Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
[18] But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
[19] And do ye abide without the camp seven days: whosoever hath killed any person, and whosoever hath touched any slain, purify both yourselves and your captives on the third day, and on the seventh day.
[20] And purify all your raiment, and all that is made of skins, and all work of goats' hair, and all things made of wood. '
We have already talked about '[18] But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.'
'In 1076 Pope Gregory VII excommunicated the residents of Cambrai because a mob had seized and burned a Cathar determined by the bishop to have been a heretic. A similar occurrence happened in 1114 during the bishops absence in Strassburg. In 1145 clergy at Leige managed to rescue victims from the crowd. '[ Deanesly, Margaret. A History of the Medieval Church, Routledge]
'One reason for Pope Gregory IX's creation of the Inquisition was to bring order and legality to the process of dealing with heresy, since there had been tendencies by mobs of townspeople to burn alleged heretics without much of a trial. Pope Gregory's original intent for the Inquisition was a court of exception to inquire into and glean the beliefs of those differing from Catholic teaching, and to instruct them in the orthodox doctrine. It was hoped that heretics would see the falsity of their opinion and would return to the Roman Catholic Church. If they persisted in their heresy, however, Pope Gregory, finding it necessary to protect the Catholic community from infection, would have suspects handed over to civil authorities, since public heresy was a crime under civil law as well as Church law. The secular authorities would apply their own brands of punishment for civil disobedience which, at the time, included burning at the stake' ["Historical Overview of the Inquisition", The Galileo Project, Rice Univ]
' The pulley or strappado was the first torture of the Inquisition usually applied. Executioners would hoist the victim up to the ceiling using a rope with their hands tied securely behind their back. They were then suspended about six feet from the floor. In this position, heavy iron weights, usually amounting to about 45 kg, were attached to their feet. The executioners would then pull on the rope, then suddenly allowing it to slack causing the victim to fall.
The rapid descent would then come to an abrupt stop, bewildering every joint and nerve in the system. In most cases it entailed dislocation. This process was repeated again and again heavier and more intense until the culprit confessed or became unconscious. Christian Monks would stand by to record any confessions, with even records today displaying the transformation of the monks steady handwriting to vigorous shaking after they recanted inside the dungeons.
If a relapsed heretic refused to recant and endure the torture, the contumacious sufferer was then carried to the scaffold and his body bound to a wooden cross. There the executioner, with a bar of iron, would break each leg and arm in two places and left to die. If the heretic was slow to expire, the executioner would then partake to strangulation, and their body was bound to a stake and burnt outside.'
Once again ,I do not insult any religion, so please do not take this as a way of insulting Christianity or Judaism OR any religion! I am here to answer the misconceptions.And I know that these texts do not represent them.
B- What about the AUTHENTIC sayings of the Prophet Mohammad { Salla Allaahu a'layhe wa ssallam } :
1- This narration was authenticaated by Al-Albani :
Ibn Mas'ud (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
We were with the Messenger of Allah (salla Allaahu a'layhe wa ssallam) in a journey when he drew apart (to relieve nature). In his absence, we saw a red bird which had two young ones with it. We caught them and the red mother bird came, beating the earth with its wings. In the meantime the Prophet (salla Allaahu a'layhe wa ssallam) returned and said, "Who has put this bird to distress on account of its young? Return them to her." He (salla Allaahu a'layhe wa ssallam) also noticed a mound of ants which we had burnt up. He asked, "Who has set fire to this?" We replied: "We have done so." He (salla Allaahu a'layhe wa ssallam) said, "None can chastise with fire except the Rubb of the fire."
This mercy with birds and aunts!
2-from Al Bukhari :
Chapter: Not to punish with Allah's punishment
Allah's Messenger (salla Allaahu a'layhe wa ssallam) sent us in a mission (i.e., an army-unit) and said, "If you find so-and-so and so-and-so, burn both of them with fire." When we intended to depart, Allah's Messenger (salla Allaahu a'layhe wa ssallam) said, "I have ordered you to burn so-and-so and so-and-so, and it is none but Allah Who punishes with fire, so, if you find them, kill them (i.e., don't burn them)."from Al Bukhari :
C- Let's discuss what he has copied from anti Islam sites :
1- the same narration from Ibn ishaqq :
Kinana b. al-Rabi`, who had the custody of the treasure of B. al-Nadir, was brought to the apostle who asked him about it. He denied that he knew where it was. A Jew came (T. was brought) to the apostle and said that he had seen Kinana going round a certain ruin every morning early. When the apostle said to Kinana, "Do you know that if we find you have it I shall kill you?" he said Yes. The apostle gave orders that the ruin was to be excavated and some of the treasure was found. When he asked him about the rest he refused to produce it, so the apostle gave orders to al-Zubayr b. al-`Awwam, "Torture him until you extract what he has," so he kindled a fire with flint and steel on his chest until he was nearly dead. Then the apostle delivered him to Muhammad b. Maslama and he struck off his head, in revenge for his brother Mahmud. (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allaah, translated as,The Life of Muhammad , and It was mentioned in History of Al Tabary )
The answer :
Al-Hafidh al-Iraqi says:
"The student of knowledge should know ...
That the Seerah * biography' contains what is authentic and that it contains Munkar (rejected, fabricated, and unauthenticated).
The hadiths are not like the bible.In Islam we have the chain of narrations,Muhammad ibn Haatim ibn al-MuThaffar said: (This ummah (Muslims )narrates hadeeth from a trustworthy individual who was known at his own time for sincerity and honesty, from another of similar character, and so on until the end of the chain of narrators. Then they researched very carefully to find out who had the stronger memory and was more precise, and who spent more time with the one from whom the report was transmitted, and who spent less time, then they would write down the hadeeth from more than twenty chains of narration, so that they could be sure that they had eliminated any mistake or error from it, and they wrote it exactly as it was narrated. This is one of the greatest blessings that Allaah has bestowed upon this ummah. We ask Allaah to inspire us to thank Him for this blessing and we ask Him to make us steadfast and to guide us to that which will bring us closer to Him and make us adhere to obedience to Him. ' Sharaf Ashaab al-Hadeeth . *Islam Q A
Abd Allah bin al-Mubārak said :‘ Al Isnad (The chain of narration/The chain of narrator )is from the Dīn( the religion, Islam), and were it not for the chain of narration whoever wished could say what he wanted’. (Reported in Sahih Muslim )
Let's discuss the following things:
-The chain of narrators/chain of narration :
Bin Homaid ->heard from Salama _> from Ibn Is-haq
In these chains of narrators there is (Bin Homaid ) Mohammad Bin Homaid Attamimi Arrazi ,
people of his country accused him of being a lair in Hadith
Abu Hatim Arrazi said ‘ He is very weak in Hadith.’ And once said’ He is lair in Hadith’
Aabu Zor’a Arrazi accused him of being a lair in Hadith
Ahmad Bin Shpa’yb An Nisaa’e said ‘He is not trusted in Hadith’ and once accused him of being a lair
However the scholars have different opinions about considering him ‘trusted’ or’ weak in hadith :
Addarqutni ‘ the scholars of hadiths have different opinions about him ‘
Al Thahabi said’some scholars considered him trusted, but the best is leaving taking hadith from him’ ( Alkashif 2/166)
Al Bukhari stopped taking Hadith from him
- suppose that Bin Homaid is trusted in Hadith, it still has another problem :The isnaad (the chain) is interrupted from Ibn Ishaq untill the time of Prophet Mohammad (salla Allaahu a'layhe wa ssallam), So it is Mo’dal (معضل ) ( because many people have been deleted from the chain) ,
simply it is considered very weak.
Once again : ‘A saheeh( sound/Authentic ) hadeeth is one which is narrated by men of good character, who are known for their good memories and precision, with a continuous isnaad( chain of narrations ), and is not odd or faulty.If the precision is lacking and is not complete, then it is hasan li dhaatihi (hasan in and of itself). If it has a number of isnaads, then it is saheeh li ghayrihi (saheeh because of corroborating evidence). See Nakhbat al-Fikr by al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar (may Allaah have mercy on him). ‘ Islam Q A
2- He showed a link from a newspaper :
The answer :anyone can show the same about the extremist christian group Ku Klux Klan ( KKK) !
"Armed guerrilla warfare killed thousands of Negroes; political riots were staged; their causes or occasions were always obscure, their results always certain: ten to one hundred times as many Negroes were killed as whites." Masked men shot into houses and burned them, sometimes with the occupants still inside. They drove successful black farmers off their land. "Generally, it can be reported that in North and South Carolina, in 18 months ending in June 1867, there were 197 murders and 548 cases of aggravated assault. Du Bois, Black Reconstruction in America: 1860–1880 pp. 674–675.
And I believe that some Christians are against Ku Klux Klan
3- then he used the following Hadith from Al Bukhari :It was narrated that Anas said:
"Some people from 'Uraynah came to the Messenger of Allah [salla Allaahu a'layhe wa ssallam], but the climate of Al-Madinah did not suit them. The Messenger of Allah [salla Allaahu a'layhe wa ssallam] said to them: 'Why don't you go out to our camels and drink their milk?'" - (one of the narrators) Qatadah said: 'And their urine.' - "So they went out to the camels of the Messenger of Allah but when they recovered they killed the herdsman of the Messenger of Allah [salla Allaahu a'layhe wa ssallam], who was a believer, and drove off the camels of the Messenger of Allah [salla Allaahu a'layhe wa ssallam], and left as those at war. He sent (men) after them and they were caught. Then he had their hands and feet cut off, and branded their eyes."
The answer : 1-Why did not show the other narration in Muslim :
Anas reported that Allah's Messenger (salla Allaahu a'layhe wa ssallam) pierced their eyes because they had pierced the eyes of the shepherds.
And even the Hadith showed that they killed the shepard !
Hmmm. Are you sure that You were well-educated in Islam ??
once again 'because they had pierced the eyes of the shepherds.'
2- In Jami` at-Tirmidhi : Anas bin Malik narrated:"Allah's Messenger only poked out their eyes because they had poked out the eyes of the camel driver."
Abu 'Eisa said: This Hadfth is Gharib. We do not know anyone who mentioned it other than this shaikh, from Yazid bin Zurai. And it is in accordance with the meaning of Allah's saying: "And wounds equal for equal" It has been reported that Muhammad bin Sirin said: "The Prophet only did this to them before the legislated punishments were revealed."
Doesn't your bible say : Exod.21
[23] And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
[24] Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
[25] Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
[26] And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake.
[27] And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake.
[28] If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned, and his flesh shall not be eaten; but the owner of the ox shall be quit.
[29] But if the ox were wont to push with his horn in time past, and it hath been testified to his owner, and he hath not kept him in, but that he hath killed a man or a woman; the ox shall be stoned, and his owner also shall be put to death.
I am challengning you to bring any authentic hadith that shows the prophet has burnt anyone
you can NOT
4-claiming that Abu Baker burnt the apostates .and he copied the story of Al Fujaa'ah .
the answer :this narration is unauthentic.
The chain of narration has Alwan Bin Dawud Al Bajali
علوان بن دَاوُدَ البجلي
He is not trusted in Hadith .
Al Bukhari said :' He is Monkar Alhadith ' means his narrations in Hadith are not accepted
علوان بن داود ويقال بن صالح منكر الحديث
and even AlHaythami did not accept this narration because of Alwan and he said
رواه الطبراني وفيه علوان بن دَاوُدَ البجلي
وهو ضعيف وهذا الأثر مما أُنكر عليه
Plus the chains of narrations have Sayf Bin Omer Attamimi
and the scholars of Hadiths said that he is weak in Hadith,
Hmm, Do you claim that you are well-educated in Islam!!!! I see you accept unauthentic stories!
5- Now he forgot the weak narrations that he chose and he started to talk about Ikremah
The answer :SECONDS AGO YOU WERE TAKING WEAK AND FABRICATED STORIES ! BUT NOW YOU CLAIM THAT EKREMAH IS WEAK !
COME ON!
However Suppose that Ekremah ( Ikrimah ) is weak, there is another narration by Anass in Sunan an-Nasa'i and it is authentic !
It is clear that Ibn Abbas did not agree with Ali about burining !Then Ali accepted Ibn Abbas's Hadith :
'.... And I would not have burned them because the Messenger of Allah (salla Allaahu a'layhe wa ssallam) said: 'Do not punish with the punishment of Allah.' So this reached 'Ali, and he said: "Ibn 'Abbas has told the truth." Jami` at-Tirmidh .Authentic
Hmm ' So this reached 'Ali, and he said: "Ibn 'Abbas has told the truth."'
Regarding Ikremah (Ekremah ) Moammad ibn Fuḍay said, reporting from ‘Uthman ibn Ḥakim: I was sitting with Abu Umamah ibn Sahl ibn Ḥanif when ‘Ekremah came. He said: ‘Abu Umamah, I remind you by Allaah, did you hear Ibn ‘Abbas say:
“Whatever ‘Ekremah narrates to you from me, assent to him, for he does not lie about me.”’
Abu Umamah said: ‘Yes.’
Ibn Hajar comments: ‘This is a ṣaḥīḥ chain.’
قال محمد بن فضيل عن عثمان بن حكيم: كنت جالسًا مع أبي أمامة بن سهل بن حنيف إذ جاء عكرمة فقال: يا أبا أمامة أذكرك الله هل سمعت ابن عباس يقول ما حدثكم عني عكرمة فصدقوه فإنه لم يكذب علي؟ فقال أبو أمامة: نعم، وهذا إسناد صحيح.
Al Marzawi said :
قد أجمع عامة أهل العلم على الإحتجاج بحديث عكرمة، واتفق على ذلك رؤساء أهل العلم بالحديث من أهل عصرنا منهم: أحمد بن حنبل وإسحاق بن راهوية وأبو ثور ويحيى بن معين، ولقد سألت إسحاق بن راهوية عن الاحتجاج بحديثه؟ فقال لي: عكرمة عندما إمام الدنيا، وتعجب من سؤالي إياه قال: وحدثنا غير واحد: أنهم شهدوا يحيى بن معين – وسأله بعض التابعين عن الاحتجاج بحديث عكرمة – فأظهر التعجب.
The generality of the specialists of knowledge have reached consensus on accepting the ḥadīth of Ekremah as proof. The leaders of the specialists of knowledge in ḥadith from the people of our time have agreed on this. Amongst them are Aḥmad ibn Ḥanbal, Isḥaq ibn Rahwayh, Abu Thawr and Yahya ibn Ma‘īn. I asked Ishaq about accepting his hadith as proof. He said: “‘Ekrimah for us is the imam of the people of the Dunyaa”, and he was astonished by my asking him (such) "
قال يحيى بن معين : مات ابن عباس ، وعكرمة عبد لم يعتق ، فباعه علي بن عبد الله ، فقيل له : تبيع علم أبيك ؟ فاسترده .
Hmm, and you still claim taht you are well educated in Islam!
6- Then he quoted from Ibn Hajar - Fathu Albari - and claiming that Ali burnt them alive :
The answer :
wait a minute! Ibn Hajar is the same person who stood with Al Bukhary about taking Hadith from Ekremah!
However this is what Ali did after hearing the Hadith from Ibn Abbas :
'.... And I would not have burned them because the Messenger of Allah (salla Allaahu a'layhe wa ssallam) said: 'Do not punish with the punishment of Allah.' So this reached 'Ali, and he said: "Ibn 'Abbas has told the truth." Jami` at-Tirmidh .Authentic
Hmm ' So this reached 'Ali, and he said: "Ibn 'Abbas has told the truth."'
once again : ' So this reached 'Ali, and he said: "Ibn 'Abbas has told the truth."'
7- Then he started to talk about Ali and ibn Abbas :
The answer :So this reached 'Ali, and he said: "Ibn 'Abbas has told the truth."'
'.... And I would not have burned them because the Messenger of Allah (salla Allaahu a'layhe wa ssallam) said: 'Do not punish with the punishment of Allah.' So this reached 'Ali, and he said: "Ibn 'Abbas has told the truth." Jami` at-Tirmidh .Authentic
Finally : 1-there is no any authentic narration that indicate Abu Baker ,Omer and Othman burnt people
2- When Ali heard from Ibn Abbas he said :'Ibn 'Abbas has told the truth' and we did not hear that Ali burnt people again after that.
3- Neil Littlejohn has been exposed and refuted , and I have not heard any response from him And I have exposed his lies .So I hope Muslims spread all these refutations and copy them to their sites .I think there are other people who deserve my time.
Whatever good is from Allaah alone, whatever error then it is from me and Satan.
May Allah guide us to follow the truth
Ameen
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